Comments on: Three Battles http://brillianter.com/2009/03/three-battles/ Like your ideas, only brilliant...er Wed, 04 Aug 2010 08:18:35 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Bruce http://brillianter.com/2009/03/three-battles/comment-page-1/#comment-3721 Bruce Fri, 13 Nov 2009 11:32:34 +0000 http://brillianter.com/?p=667#comment-3721 Excellent thoughts! True, we normally think only of now, the physical fight we are preparing ourselves for every time we practice drawing a shooting. Thank you for the insight. Excellent thoughts! True, we normally think only of now, the physical fight we are preparing ourselves for every time we practice drawing a shooting. Thank you for the insight.

]]> By: The Ongoing Battles of the BART Shooting Update | Police Forums, News & Articles http://brillianter.com/2009/03/three-battles/comment-page-1/#comment-3710 The Ongoing Battles of the BART Shooting Update | Police Forums, News & Articles Fri, 23 Oct 2009 01:44:58 +0000 http://brillianter.com/?p=667#comment-3710 [...] Training, preparation, and evaluation of officer involved shootings typically focus on the physical conflict without looking at the other battles that continue long after the physical conflict has ended. To completely survive an officer involved shooting, you must prevail in all the battles. [...] [...] Training, preparation, and evaluation of officer involved shootings typically focus on the physical conflict without looking at the other battles that continue long after the physical conflict has ended. To completely survive an officer involved shooting, you must prevail in all the battles. [...]

]]> By: The Ongoing Battles Of The BART Shooting: October Update http://brillianter.com/2009/03/three-battles/comment-page-1/#comment-3698 The Ongoing Battles Of The BART Shooting: October Update Mon, 05 Oct 2009 09:01:06 +0000 http://brillianter.com/?p=667#comment-3698 [...] Training, preparation, and evaluation of officer involved shootings typically focus on the physical conflict without looking at the other battles that continue long after the physical conflict has ended. To completely survive an officer involved shooting, you must prevail in all the battles. [...] [...] Training, preparation, and evaluation of officer involved shootings typically focus on the physical conflict without looking at the other battles that continue long after the physical conflict has ended. To completely survive an officer involved shooting, you must prevail in all the battles. [...]

]]> By: Austin PD Officer Quintana Involved In Police Shooting with Nathaniel Sanders http://brillianter.com/2009/03/three-battles/comment-page-1/#comment-2478 Austin PD Officer Quintana Involved In Police Shooting with Nathaniel Sanders Tue, 19 May 2009 14:42:03 +0000 http://brillianter.com/?p=667#comment-2478 [...] the physical event of the shooting or other deadly force incident. As Mostly Genius points out in Three Battles, surviving a police shooting is more complex than just physical survival. That is the most [...] [...] the physical event of the shooting or other deadly force incident. As Mostly Genius points out in Three Battles, surviving a police shooting is more complex than just physical survival. That is the most [...]

]]> By: Ray http://brillianter.com/2009/03/three-battles/comment-page-1/#comment-1741 Ray Tue, 28 Apr 2009 01:50:30 +0000 http://brillianter.com/?p=667#comment-1741 In reference to what Mario wrote about RB, I agree wholeheartedly. He is lucky that they didn't lock him up and throw away the key. Mostly Genius is also right on. Your life is not in imminent danger. You must know and realize that when you get a carry permit, that is just what it is - a carry permit. In other words, it is a permit to carry - not a permit to shoot. I liken what RB did almost as firing a warning shot. You don't do that. Also, in Florida if you show your gun in a situation like that you would be arrested for assault at the very least, but probably illegal display of a firearm. As an NRA pistol instructor, I try to impress upon my students that if they draw or show their weapon, whether right or wrong, they are going to go to court. Remember O.J. He wasn't convicted criminally, he was sued civilly. It sounds as if whoever your CWP instructor was, he didn't hit too much on what the laws were in your State. It is possible to talk about what the State law is in your State without giving a legal opinion. Maybe RB didn't know where to find the laws in his State. In Florida when you apply for a CWP, in signing the application you state that you have been through the booklet, and have read the laws that the State has printed up for those seeking a CWP. If RB still has his concealed carry (or weapons) permit when all is said and done, hopefully he will educate himself. If he plans to carry, he better know the lawas to when to pull and when not to. Have a great day everybody. In reference to what Mario wrote about RB, I agree wholeheartedly. He is lucky that they didn’t lock him up and throw away the key. Mostly Genius is also right on. Your life is not in imminent danger. You must know and realize that when you get a carry permit, that is just what it is – a carry permit. In other words, it is a permit to carry – not a permit to shoot. I liken what RB did almost as firing a warning shot. You don’t do that. Also, in Florida if you show your gun in a situation like that you would be arrested for assault at the very least, but probably illegal display of a firearm. As an NRA pistol instructor, I try to impress upon my students that if they draw or show their weapon, whether right or wrong, they are going to go to court. Remember O.J. He wasn’t convicted criminally, he was sued civilly. It sounds as if whoever your CWP instructor was, he didn’t hit too much on what the laws were in your State. It is possible to talk about what the State law is in your State without giving a legal opinion. Maybe RB didn’t know where to find the laws in his State. In Florida when you apply for a CWP, in signing the application you state that you have been through the booklet, and have read the laws that the State has printed up for those seeking a CWP. If RB still has his concealed carry (or weapons) permit when all is said and done, hopefully he will educate himself. If he plans to carry, he better know the lawas to when to pull and when not to. Have a great day everybody.

]]> By: Mario http://brillianter.com/2009/03/three-battles/comment-page-1/#comment-1595 Mario Mon, 20 Apr 2009 01:40:45 +0000 http://brillianter.com/?p=667#comment-1595 To RB - I would strongly advise for you to go over the legalities of carrying a weapon. I'm not a lawyer, but after reading your story, I do side with the police. You didn't have a right to pull your gun in this situation. Only when your life is in imminent danger from a situation you have NO CONTROL over should you pull your gun. Where you went wrong is in trying to handle the situation yourself by pulling over and trying to get the driver to pull over also. He does not have to pull over!! He probably thought you were some kind of nut and/or in danger and that's why he tried to pull away. If you are hit and the other driver does not stop, you should take the license and CALL 911. You took the matter into your own hands and then it escalated to you pulling your weapon. You where the instigator in this situation. That's why the police arrested you. Put yourself in the other drivers situation. Someone asked him to pull over, he doesn't know you or what you are capable of. Sorry, you did bad. Please talk to your CCW instructor and go over the laws before you innocently kill somebody or do something to land yourself in jail. To RB – I would strongly advise for you to go over the legalities of carrying a weapon. I’m not a lawyer, but after reading your story, I do side with the police. You didn’t have a right to pull your gun in this situation. Only when your life is in imminent danger from a situation you have NO CONTROL over should you pull your gun. Where you went wrong is in trying to handle the situation yourself by pulling over and trying to get the driver to pull over also. He does not have to pull over!! He probably thought you were some kind of nut and/or in danger and that’s why he tried to pull away. If you are hit and the other driver does not stop, you should take the license and CALL 911. You took the matter into your own hands and then it escalated to you pulling your weapon. You where the instigator in this situation. That’s why the police arrested you. Put yourself in the other drivers situation. Someone asked him to pull over, he doesn’t know you or what you are capable of. Sorry, you did bad. Please talk to your CCW instructor and go over the laws before you innocently kill somebody or do something to land yourself in jail.

]]> By: Mostly Genius http://brillianter.com/2009/03/three-battles/comment-page-1/#comment-1587 Mostly Genius Thu, 16 Apr 2009 21:26:56 +0000 http://brillianter.com/?p=667#comment-1587 I am sorry to be responding to these comments so late, but make a few quick observations: Having or carrying a gun isn't all it's cracked up to be. It is only applicable under certain conditions. RB's comment is a good example of this. If you are aiming at tires you are not in a deadly force self defense scenario. Having a gun and getting into action in a self-defense situation is not always a simple undertaking as a practical matter. You really need to be knowledgeable about the law as well as having the physical skills and the proper frame of mind for it's use. The good news is that this is all doable. The deck is certainly stacked against private citizens taking action. You really have to do everything right to stay out of jail. I am not happy about the situation, but we have to deal with the reality on the ground. I am sorry to be responding to these comments so late, but make a few quick observations:

Having or carrying a gun isn’t all it’s cracked up to be. It is only applicable under certain conditions. RB’s comment is a good example of this. If you are aiming at tires you are not in a deadly force self defense scenario.

Having a gun and getting into action in a self-defense situation is not always a simple undertaking as a practical matter. You really need to be knowledgeable about the law as well as having the physical skills and the proper frame of mind for it’s use. The good news is that this is all doable.

The deck is certainly stacked against private citizens taking action. You really have to do everything right to stay out of jail. I am not happy about the situation, but we have to deal with the reality on the ground.

]]> By: Glenn Guss http://brillianter.com/2009/03/three-battles/comment-page-1/#comment-1586 Glenn Guss Thu, 16 Apr 2009 18:07:44 +0000 http://brillianter.com/?p=667#comment-1586 I am approaching 60 years old. I am over 6' tall, weigh in at 250 and, until recently, have never been afraid of another man in my life. One year ago, I had 5 heart attacks in rapid succession and shortly after that, 5 bypasses. I'm lucky to be alive, but clearly don't have the strength and stamina that I once had. Six months ago, after much discussion, my wife and I each purchased S&W revolvers. These are the first guns that either of us has owned. Why? We have vowed to NEVER be defenseless victims of someone who means to do us harm. We practice our shooting skills regularily and last week we applied for and received our concealed weapon permits. We can and will protect ourselves and our loved ones, if and when necessary. I am approaching 60 years old. I am over 6′ tall, weigh in at 250 and, until recently, have never been afraid of another man in my life. One year ago, I had 5 heart attacks in rapid succession and shortly after that, 5 bypasses. I’m lucky to be alive, but clearly don’t have the strength and stamina that I once had.
Six months ago, after much discussion, my wife and I each purchased S&W revolvers. These are the first guns that either of us has owned. Why? We have vowed to NEVER be defenseless victims of someone who means to do us harm. We practice our shooting skills regularily and last week we applied for and received our concealed weapon permits. We can and will protect ourselves and our loved ones, if and when necessary.

]]> By: Nick http://brillianter.com/2009/03/three-battles/comment-page-1/#comment-1585 Nick Thu, 16 Apr 2009 15:48:41 +0000 http://brillianter.com/?p=667#comment-1585 Don't know where our country is heading. Don't know how long our freedoms will last. Don't understand the throngs of people who vote for "gimme's" or "hand-outs". With each "hand-out" given, something is lost by those of us who believe in a good and honest work ethic. Whatever I have left, is mine and no one will be allowed to take it from me. My most important posession is my life, my family and then my friends, in that order. Let either be threatened I will, repeat, will react to protect all that is mine. I will do all things possible to avoid using deadly force. But if all my efforts fail, deadly force will be used to protect that which I hold valuable. It certainly appears that the first battle of the three battles of self-defense can be easily won. However, the next two battles are the result of an imbalanced, corrupt hierarchy that seems hell bent on destroying America. Don’t know where our country is heading. Don’t know how long our freedoms will last. Don’t understand the throngs of people who vote for “gimme’s” or “hand-outs”. With each “hand-out” given, something is lost by those of us who believe in a good and honest work ethic. Whatever I have left, is mine and no one will be allowed to take it from me. My most important posession is my life, my family and then my friends, in that order. Let either be threatened I will, repeat, will react to protect all that is mine. I will do all things possible to avoid using deadly force. But if all my efforts fail, deadly force will be used to protect that which I hold valuable. It certainly appears that the first battle of the three battles of self-defense can be easily won. However, the next two battles are the result of an imbalanced, corrupt hierarchy that seems hell bent on destroying America.

]]> By: Ramon Hardesty http://brillianter.com/2009/03/three-battles/comment-page-1/#comment-1584 Ramon Hardesty Thu, 16 Apr 2009 12:46:02 +0000 http://brillianter.com/?p=667#comment-1584 I was driving through the Western part of Texas when I was stopped by a police officer . I thought that I was in big trouble . When he asked for my license and registration I opened my glove box and my personal carry weapon was showing . he then asked if I had a permit to carry . I showed him my out of state ,Utah, permit. He then asked if I had to use it and I said No. He then asked why I have on ? I told him that it is better to have and not need it than to need it and not have it. He then said that he was not going to give me a ticket , but he did give me a warning about the speed I was doing. In Texas some places their speed limit is 80 miles and hour and some place it is not . I got in one of those places where it is not . My luck was bad and good that night. I was driving through the Western
part of Texas when I was stopped by a police officer . I thought that I was in big trouble . When he asked for my license and registration I opened my glove box and my personal carry weapon was showing . he then asked if I had a permit to carry . I showed him my out of state ,Utah, permit. He then asked if I had to use it and I said No. He then asked why I have on ? I told him that it is better to have and not need it than to need it and not have it. He then said that he was not going to give me a ticket , but he did give me a warning about the speed I was doing. In Texas some places their speed limit is 80 miles and hour and some place it is not . I got in one of those places where it is not . My luck was bad and good that night.

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