Comments on: The latest round of the 3 percenter nonsense http://brillianter.com/2008/12/the-latest-round-of-the-3-percenter-nonsense/ Like your ideas, only brilliant...er Fri, 20 Jan 2012 08:46:40 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: MostlyGenius http://brillianter.com/2008/12/the-latest-round-of-the-3-percenter-nonsense/comment-page-1/#comment-3810 MostlyGenius Wed, 26 Oct 2011 22:39:31 +0000 http://brillianter.com/?p=417#comment-3810 You stated: "Although we would be morally justified in every sense to be out killing ATF agents, local police who enforce unconstitutional gun laws" <br>The hutaree would agree. Are they not in the club? Who in your leaderless movement is in charge of regulating membership? Clearly the hutaree were a small group of individuals decided that the ballot box wasn't working. Maybe you don't support the fringe religious underpinning of the hutaree, but clearly you agree that the government is eroding our civil rights in direct violation of the constitution.<br><br>Perhaps you should read the writings of your founder/spokesman. He has denounced your "all peaceful means" as cowardice and drawn a line in the sand (which he continually moves farther back.)<br><br>If you are part of a movement that advocates or sympathizes with the killing of government officials and agents for unconstitutional actions ("morally justified") then you've earned comparison with groups that believe the same (the hutaree). (proven, owned, lulz, dude.)<br><br>If you are part of a leaderless moment you theoretically are joining a group of people with similar (not identical) ideologies. You cannot control who joins your movement, nor can you expel them for their ideas or actions. <br>You want to be a group of regular guys that are taking a stand for your<br>rights. Except there is no stand (save chirping on the internet) and there <br>is no group (save some imagined number of like minded individuals willing to <br>type.) <br> <br>I am not advocating that you take action, I am advocating that you stop <br>talking about actions that you will never take. You are not shaking your <br>guns in the tyrants face. Graffiti and vandalism is not revolution or civil <br>war. <br> <br>Why do I want you to shut your collective suck holes? Because you are <br>counter productive. All of the recent gains in legal protection and more <br>importantly public opinion regarding gun rights happened despite the <br>grandstanding and threats of your fellow travellers. <br> <br>The govt is using the threat of "domestic terrorism" as a justification for <br>increased encroachment on our rights. There is no deterrent effect in empty <br>threats. The only reason the militia movement isn't just simply ignored is <br>because of the actions of McVeigh, various racist groups, and hutaree nut <br>jobs. If the militias weren't tarred with the same brush they wouldn't be <br>getting any ink. <br> <br>Because the militias are tarred with the same brush the soccer moms that <br>want guns for self defense against criminals are given pause by fat guys in <br>camouflage screaming about killing government officials. The soccer moms <br>don't get that you are all hot air. You stated: “Although we would be morally justified in every sense to be out killing ATF agents, local police who enforce unconstitutional gun laws”
The hutaree would agree. Are they not in the club? Who in your leaderless movement is in charge of regulating membership? Clearly the hutaree were a small group of individuals decided that the ballot box wasn't working. Maybe you don't support the fringe religious underpinning of the hutaree, but clearly you agree that the government is eroding our civil rights in direct violation of the constitution.

Perhaps you should read the writings of your founder/spokesman. He has denounced your “all peaceful means” as cowardice and drawn a line in the sand (which he continually moves farther back.)

If you are part of a movement that advocates or sympathizes with the killing of government officials and agents for unconstitutional actions (“morally justified”) then you've earned comparison with groups that believe the same (the hutaree). (proven, owned, lulz, dude.)

If you are part of a leaderless moment you theoretically are joining a group of people with similar (not identical) ideologies. You cannot control who joins your movement, nor can you expel them for their ideas or actions.
You want to be a group of regular guys that are taking a stand for your
rights. Except there is no stand (save chirping on the internet) and there

is no group (save some imagined number of like minded individuals willing to

type.)

I am not advocating that you take action, I am advocating that you stop

talking about actions that you will never take. You are not shaking your

guns in the tyrants face. Graffiti and vandalism is not revolution or civil

war.

Why do I want you to shut your collective suck holes? Because you are

counter productive. All of the recent gains in legal protection and more

importantly public opinion regarding gun rights happened despite the

grandstanding and threats of your fellow travellers.

The govt is using the threat of “domestic terrorism” as a justification for

increased encroachment on our rights. There is no deterrent effect in empty

threats. The only reason the militia movement isn't just simply ignored is

because of the actions of McVeigh, various racist groups, and hutaree nut

jobs. If the militias weren't tarred with the same brush they wouldn't be

getting any ink.

Because the militias are tarred with the same brush the soccer moms that

want guns for self defense against criminals are given pause by fat guys in

camouflage screaming about killing government officials. The soccer moms

don't get that you are all hot air.

]]> By: Bitter Clinging Texan http://brillianter.com/2008/12/the-latest-round-of-the-3-percenter-nonsense/comment-page-1/#comment-3809 Bitter Clinging Texan Wed, 26 Oct 2011 08:26:47 +0000 http://brillianter.com/?p=417#comment-3809 you are either stupid or a liar. Or possibly, most likely both. You are the one who is irrelevant. You got owned by me and responded with outright lies ASAP. I never mentioned the Hutaree, nor do I or any other III percenter that I know share their ideology. Nor do all or even most III percenters wear a patch. Put up or shut up. Prove that I share the ideology of the hutaree or apologize to me for lumping me in that category. you are either stupid or a liar. Or possibly, most likely both. You are the one who is irrelevant. You got owned by me and responded with outright lies ASAP. I never mentioned the Hutaree, nor do I or any other III percenter that I know share their ideology. Nor do all or even most III percenters wear a patch. Put up or shut up. Prove that I share the ideology of the hutaree or apologize to me for lumping me in that category.

]]> By: MostlyGenius http://brillianter.com/2008/12/the-latest-round-of-the-3-percenter-nonsense/comment-page-1/#comment-3808 MostlyGenius Wed, 26 Oct 2011 08:19:01 +0000 http://brillianter.com/?p=417#comment-3808 So you are a leaderless moment where individuals and/or small groups will decide when they have been infringed upon enough and retaliate with violence - but you want to be part of a club and have a patch. You want to attach yourself to the militias of the American revolution (despite having done nothing yourselves) but distance yourselves from the wacko militias like the hutaree (despite sharing some of their ideology). <br>Silly. Irrelevant. So you are a leaderless moment where individuals and/or small groups will decide when they have been infringed upon enough and retaliate with violence – but you want to be part of a club and have a patch. You want to attach yourself to the militias of the American revolution (despite having done nothing yourselves) but distance yourselves from the wacko militias like the hutaree (despite sharing some of their ideology).
Silly. Irrelevant.

]]> By: Bitter Clinging Texan http://brillianter.com/2008/12/the-latest-round-of-the-3-percenter-nonsense/comment-page-1/#comment-3807 Bitter Clinging Texan Wed, 26 Oct 2011 06:08:23 +0000 http://brillianter.com/?p=417#comment-3807 He is obviously more coherent than you are. The III% are regular Americans, who want nothing more than to be left in peace and for an end to tyrannical, oppressive firearms laws that have plagued this nation since 1934. All of your goading, and your smug, self serving ad hom attacks on us because we aren't in the streets shooting at every fed we see wont work. Although we would be morally justified in every sense to be out killing ATF agents, local police who enforce unconstitutional gun laws(requiring of a permit to carry, banning open carry, forbidding of full auto weapons, etc), Politicians who vote for oppressive, stalinist gun laws(If we were the violent maniacs that your lamestream media and SPLC portays us as, then scum like schumer, fienstien, boxer, Daley, and company would have ceased unhindered oxygen consumption long ago), and "celebrities" and pundits who advocate the rape of our most important right( thats right, bill maher, Rosie, Rachel Madcow and the rest deserve lead as much as the jack booted thugs who are nothing more than the modern day version of Ezhov/Beria's NKVD) WE ARE NOT DOING THAT FOR SERVERAL REASONS. First and foremost, as patriotic Americans, we are determined to exhaust any and every peacable means to defend our freedom while avioding the horrors that come with pretty much every revolution and civil war  since the begining of time. and Secondly, we are a leaderless movement and either individuals or small groups will decide for themselves when the ballot box is obsolete and it's time to reach for the cartridge box He is obviously more coherent than you are. The III% are regular Americans, who want nothing more than to be left in peace and for an end to tyrannical, oppressive firearms laws that have plagued this nation since 1934. All of your goading, and your smug, self serving ad hom attacks on us because we aren't in the streets shooting at every fed we see wont work. Although we would be morally justified in every sense to be out killing ATF agents, local police who enforce unconstitutional gun laws(requiring of a permit to carry, banning open carry, forbidding of full auto weapons, etc), Politicians who vote for oppressive, stalinist gun laws(If we were the violent maniacs that your lamestream media and SPLC portays us as, then scum like schumer, fienstien, boxer, Daley, and company would have ceased unhindered oxygen consumption long ago), and “celebrities” and pundits who advocate the rape of our most important right( thats right, bill maher, Rosie, Rachel Madcow and the rest deserve lead as much as the jack booted thugs who are nothing more than the modern day version of Ezhov/Beria's NKVD) WE ARE NOT DOING THAT FOR SERVERAL REASONS. First and foremost, as patriotic Americans, we are determined to exhaust any and every peacable means to defend our freedom while avioding the horrors that come with pretty much every revolution and civil war  since the begining of time. and Secondly, we are a leaderless movement and either individuals or small groups will decide for themselves when the ballot box is obsolete and it's time to reach for the cartridge box

]]> By: MostlyGenius http://brillianter.com/2008/12/the-latest-round-of-the-3-percenter-nonsense/comment-page-1/#comment-3806 MostlyGenius Tue, 25 Oct 2011 19:47:18 +0000 http://brillianter.com/?p=417#comment-3806 Radical. I'll have to remember that one. Can you even read? Radical. I'll have to remember that one. Can you even read?

]]> By: Ballard Nikolai http://brillianter.com/2008/12/the-latest-round-of-the-3-percenter-nonsense/comment-page-1/#comment-3805 Ballard Nikolai Tue, 25 Oct 2011 12:10:40 +0000 http://brillianter.com/?p=417#comment-3805 Your sick for attacking a group of people who excersise there freedom. Fuck your radical bullshit! Your sick for attacking a group of people who excersise there freedom. Fuck your radical bullshit!

]]> By: MostlyGenius http://brillianter.com/2008/12/the-latest-round-of-the-3-percenter-nonsense/comment-page-1/#comment-3801 MostlyGenius Mon, 03 Oct 2011 10:48:35 +0000 http://brillianter.com/?p=417#comment-3801 Yeah, that post was written 2008. In the years following Obama's election there have been numerous additional restrictions placed upon our god given liberty and for all of the bluster of the militia tough guys I don't see a lot of militia skirmishes against the government (certainly none endorsed by the 3%).<br><br>MV said "Don’t extrapolate from your own cowardice and assume that just because you would do anything the government told you to do that we would." Apparently we are well past making assumptions. I will leave it as an exercise for the reader if the 3% are cowards or merely hypocrites. Random vandalism surely seems to fall short of the promise to "kill anyone who tried to further restrict our God-given liberty."<br><br>Additionally, unlike your "alleged leader" I have never been a communist (recanted or otherwise.) I am not sure that proving Communism is genocidal ideology (agreed) has anything to do with the discussion at hand. You may now go about the rest of your day being really excited about talking a good fight, I just wonder that isn't the bloom off of that rose yet after all these years of inaction? Yeah, that post was written 2008. In the years following Obama's election there have been numerous additional restrictions placed upon our god given liberty and for all of the bluster of the militia tough guys I don't see a lot of militia skirmishes against the government (certainly none endorsed by the 3%).

MV said “Don’t extrapolate from your own cowardice and assume that just because you would do anything the government told you to do that we would.” Apparently we are well past making assumptions. I will leave it as an exercise for the reader if the 3% are cowards or merely hypocrites. Random vandalism surely seems to fall short of the promise to “kill anyone who tried to further restrict our God-given liberty.”

Additionally, unlike your “alleged leader” I have never been a communist (recanted or otherwise.) I am not sure that proving Communism is genocidal ideology (agreed) has anything to do with the discussion at hand. You may now go about the rest of your day being really excited about talking a good fight, I just wonder that isn't the bloom off of that rose yet after all these years of inaction?

]]> By: amused http://brillianter.com/2008/12/the-latest-round-of-the-3-percenter-nonsense/comment-page-1/#comment-3800 amused Mon, 03 Oct 2011 10:13:52 +0000 http://brillianter.com/?p=417#comment-3800 If it needs explaining, it's unlikely your egghead is worthy of the time investment.  You will know when it happens.  If you have nothing worth dying for, you have nothing worth living for.  But I can't help wonder where your intellectual "Essay dealing with gun control" got you?  In what way did it "Deal with" anything other than to self aggrandize your ideology within your pathetic little communist social circle?  Do the world a favor, and write an essay on this. <a href="http://www.scaruffi.com/politics/dictat.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.scaruffi.com/politi...</a> If it needs explaining, it's unlikely your egghead is worthy of the time investment.  You will know when it happens.  If you have nothing worth dying for, you have nothing worth living for.  But I can't help wonder where your intellectual “Essay dealing with gun control” got you?  In what way did it “Deal with” anything other than to self aggrandize your ideology within your pathetic little communist social circle?  Do the world a favor, and write an essay on this. http://www.scaruffi.com/politi...

]]> By: Phinieas http://brillianter.com/2008/12/the-latest-round-of-the-3-percenter-nonsense/comment-page-1/#comment-3765 Phinieas Wed, 04 Aug 2010 08:18:35 +0000 http://brillianter.com/?p=417#comment-3765 of course 3% is more than plenty. Americans are better armed than any nation on earth, yes civilians! if a few hundred thousand backward minded "terrorists" can hold off the entire US army for a decade, then 9 million will certainly not be abused by it. They are trying to nip the awakening in the bud because they have already crunched the numbers. of course 3% is more than plenty. Americans are better armed than any nation on earth, yes civilians! if a few hundred thousand backward minded “terrorists” can hold off the entire US army for a decade, then 9 million will certainly not be abused by it. They are trying to nip the awakening in the bud because they have already crunched the numbers.

]]> By: yitzhakbenavi http://brillianter.com/2008/12/the-latest-round-of-the-3-percenter-nonsense/comment-page-1/#comment-3753 yitzhakbenavi Thu, 15 Apr 2010 04:26:29 +0000 http://brillianter.com/?p=417#comment-3753 Maybe that is not a bad thing that the population being the ones who fear. One should fear having their rights taken away. This was written a year ago. obama is now president and he is moving in the direction that the III percenters are fearing. what say you now? Maybe that is not a bad thing that the population being the ones who fear. One should fear having their rights taken away. This was written a year ago. obama is now president and he is moving in the direction that the III percenters are fearing. what say you now?

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