Comments on: The 21 Foot Rule http://brillianter.com/2008/11/the-21-foot-rule/ Like your ideas, only brilliant...er Wed, 04 Aug 2010 08:18:35 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Just Because you can use force doesn’t mean that you should. – Brillianter.com http://brillianter.com/2008/11/the-21-foot-rule/comment-page-1/#comment-3319 Just Because you can use force doesn’t mean that you should. – Brillianter.com Mon, 17 Aug 2009 02:05:06 +0000 http://brillianter.com/2008/11/the-21-foot-rule/#comment-3319 [...] Two-Four Is rightly upset about a police use of force incident. Just because you can use force doesn’t mean you should. I have written about the 21 foot rulebefore [...] [...] Two-Four Is rightly upset about a police use of force incident. Just because you can use force doesn’t mean you should. I have written about the 21 foot rulebefore [...]

]]> By: Cyborg Bill http://brillianter.com/2008/11/the-21-foot-rule/comment-page-1/#comment-287 Cyborg Bill Wed, 03 Dec 2008 17:36:59 +0000 http://brillianter.com/2008/11/the-21-foot-rule/#comment-287 I work armed in some rough areas. If someone approaches me I tell them to stop well before the 21' line. If voice is not enough force I put my hand on the grip of my sidearm and unsnap the thumb break and tell them to stop. All this is at more like 10-15 yards. Even if their hands are empty, I don't let them approach closely. I have drawn my sidearm and laid it along the side of my leg. BTW I heard that it takes 1.7 seconds to draw and fire from flat footed. That would give the attacker a 1/5th second advantage. For me it is about the "kill zone" of the weapon. If I have not already drawn when I am in the kill zone of the other guy's weapon I am as good as dead. I was trained that the time for talking is past once you are inside the other guy's kill zone. If the other person has the Ability to cause death or grevious bodily injury, the Opportunity to do (he doesn't have that Opportunity with a knife when he is on the other side of the street) and I am in Jeopardy from that person - i.e. I am in their weapon's kill zone - then there no time to talk. A O J - as in Administration of Justice 101. That's my rule. And I start the mental checklist whenever anyone I don't trust approaches. Also, working in south Texas, I encounter a large number of people who respond to instructions/questions with "No habla ingles". I find that putting my hand on the grip and asking "Habla Glock?" rapidly improves their "ingles" significantly. I work armed in some rough areas. If someone approaches me I tell them to stop well before the 21′ line. If voice is not enough force I put my hand on the grip of my sidearm and unsnap the thumb break and tell them to stop. All this is at more like 10-15 yards. Even if their hands are empty, I don’t let them approach closely. I have drawn my sidearm and laid it along the side of my leg.

BTW I heard that it takes 1.7 seconds to draw and fire from flat footed. That would give the attacker a 1/5th second advantage. For me it is about the “kill zone” of the weapon. If I have not already drawn when I am in the kill zone of the other guy’s weapon I am as good as dead. I was trained that the time for talking is past once you are inside the other guy’s kill zone. If the other person has the Ability to cause death or grevious bodily injury, the Opportunity to do (he doesn’t have that Opportunity with a knife when he is on the other side of the street) and I am in Jeopardy from that person – i.e. I am in their weapon’s kill zone – then there no time to talk. A O J – as in Administration of Justice 101. That’s my rule. And I start the mental checklist whenever anyone I don’t trust approaches.

Also, working in south Texas, I encounter a large number of people who respond to instructions/questions with “No habla ingles”. I find that putting my hand on the grip and asking “Habla Glock?” rapidly improves their “ingles” significantly.

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